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		<title>By: howardroarke</title>
		<link>http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/post-climategate-how-long-will-they-allow-the-ruse-to-continue/comment-page-1/#comment-9969</link>
		<dc:creator>howardroarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They say we&#039;re &quot;dangerous&quot;. The latest is that Sarah Palin is dangerous.
No, MSM and the rest, Al Gore, Micheal Moore, and the like are dangerous, stringing along people (particularly the young)  with their lies and fabrications. 

The air is cleaner than it was in, say, 1965. The water is cleaner. Oh, but we&#039;re supposed to believe another failed writer and former politician, Al Gore, on global warming. This was a scam  from the beginning. The same scientists who &quot;warned&quot; us about &quot;global cooling&quot; in the mid-70&#039;s started warning us about &quot;global warming&quot; from about 1980 or so.

This is all about money. Money which comes directly from our pockets, and/or is extorted from for-profit corporations and thus put into the pockets of &quot;scientists&quot; and &quot;researchers&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say we&#8217;re &#8220;dangerous&#8221;. The latest is that Sarah Palin is dangerous.<br />
No, MSM and the rest, Al Gore, Micheal Moore, and the like are dangerous, stringing along people (particularly the young)  with their lies and fabrications. </p>
<p>The air is cleaner than it was in, say, 1965. The water is cleaner. Oh, but we&#8217;re supposed to believe another failed writer and former politician, Al Gore, on global warming. This was a scam  from the beginning. The same scientists who &#8220;warned&#8221; us about &#8220;global cooling&#8221; in the mid-70&#8217;s started warning us about &#8220;global warming&#8221; from about 1980 or so.</p>
<p>This is all about money. Money which comes directly from our pockets, and/or is extorted from for-profit corporations and thus put into the pockets of &#8220;scientists&#8221; and &#8220;researchers&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: rochester_veteran</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lobo,

Great post, with some timeless quotes from our Founding Fathers! Here&#039;s my favorite from you post:

&lt;i&gt;“When occasions present themselves, in which the interests of the people are at variance with their inclinations, it is the duty of the persons whom they have appointed to be the guardians of those interests, to withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection.”

&lt;b&gt;–Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 71&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

We really need to &quot;withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection.&quot;, &lt;strong&gt;don&#039;t we?&lt;/strong&gt;

We also need to apply the common sense of our Founding Fathers to our present quandary with the junk science of Anthropogenic Global Warming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lobo,</p>
<p>Great post, with some timeless quotes from our Founding Fathers! Here&#8217;s my favorite from you post:</p>
<p><i>“When occasions present themselves, in which the interests of the people are at variance with their inclinations, it is the duty of the persons whom they have appointed to be the guardians of those interests, to withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection.”</p>
<p><b>–Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 71</b></i></p>
<p>We really need to &#8220;withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection.&#8221;, <strong>don&#8217;t we?</strong></p>
<p>We also need to apply the common sense of our Founding Fathers to our present quandary with the junk science of Anthropogenic Global Warming!</p>
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		<title>By: Debra J.M. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra J.M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, RV! Amen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, RV! Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: lobo</title>
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		<dc:creator>lobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Will we have to show up at “their” doors with pitchforks and torches and demand that “they” cease and desist from going down this road any further...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave.&quot;

--John Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772
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&quot;The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men.&quot;

--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
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&quot;Men, to act with vigour and effect, must have time to mature measures, and judgment and experience, as to the best method of applying them. They must not be hurried on to their conclusions by the passions, or the fears of the multitude. They must deliberate, as well as resolve.&quot;

--Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, January 6, 1833
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&quot;The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.&quot;

--James Madison, speech in the Virginia constitutional convention, December 2, 1829
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&quot;Our obligations to our country never cease but with our lives.&quot;

--John Adams, letter to Benjamin Rush, April 18, 1808
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&quot;Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood.&quot;

--John Adams, A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765
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&quot;When occasions present themselves, in which the interests of the people are at variance with their inclinations, it is the duty of the persons whom they have appointed to be the guardians of those interests, to withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection.&quot;

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 71
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&quot;If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute.&quot; --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
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&quot;It is an unquestionable truth, that the body of the people in every country desire sincerely its prosperity. But it is equally unquestionable that they do not possess the discernment and stability necessary for systematic government. To deny that they are frequently led into the grossest of errors, by misinformation and passion, would be a flattery which their own good sense must despise.&quot; --Alexander Hamilton, speech to the Ratifying Convention of New York, 1788
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Happy Thanksgiving wishes to RV, his family and readers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Will we have to show up at “their” doors with pitchforks and torches and demand that “they” cease and desist from going down this road any further&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8220;If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;John Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772<br />
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<p>&#8220;The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty &#8211; that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776<br />
________________</p>
<p>&#8220;Men, to act with vigour and effect, must have time to mature measures, and judgment and experience, as to the best method of applying them. They must not be hurried on to their conclusions by the passions, or the fears of the multitude. They must deliberate, as well as resolve.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, January 6, 1833<br />
____________________</p>
<p>&#8220;The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;James Madison, speech in the Virginia constitutional convention, December 2, 1829<br />
____________________</p>
<p>&#8220;Our obligations to our country never cease but with our lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;John Adams, letter to Benjamin Rush, April 18, 1808<br />
____________________</p>
<p>&#8220;Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker. But if we had not, our fathers have earned and bought it for us, at the expense of their ease, their estates, their pleasure, and their blood.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;John Adams, A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law, 1765<br />
____________________</p>
<p>&#8220;When occasions present themselves, in which the interests of the people are at variance with their inclinations, it is the duty of the persons whom they have appointed to be the guardians of those interests, to withstand the temporary delusion, in order to give them time and opportunity for more cool and sedate reflection.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 71<br />
____________________</p>
<p>&#8220;If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute.&#8221; &#8211;Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791<br />
____________________</p>
<p>&#8220;It is an unquestionable truth, that the body of the people in every country desire sincerely its prosperity. But it is equally unquestionable that they do not possess the discernment and stability necessary for systematic government. To deny that they are frequently led into the grossest of errors, by misinformation and passion, would be a flattery which their own good sense must despise.&#8221; &#8211;Alexander Hamilton, speech to the Ratifying Convention of New York, 1788<br />
________________</p>
<p>Happy Thanksgiving wishes to RV, his family and readers!</p>
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		<title>By: rochester_veteran</title>
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		<dc:creator>rochester_veteran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, folks! 

Mark, welcome to rochesterconservative.com!

Debra, thanks for spreading the word on this issue. We need to hold our politicians feet to the fire, so that they reject &quot;Cap and Tax&quot; and any sort of treaty Obama may come home with from Copenhagen.

The time is now to refute  the lie that is anthropogenic global warming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, folks! </p>
<p>Mark, welcome to rochesterconservative.com!</p>
<p>Debra, thanks for spreading the word on this issue. We need to hold our politicians feet to the fire, so that they reject &#8220;Cap and Tax&#8221; and any sort of treaty Obama may come home with from Copenhagen.</p>
<p>The time is now to refute  the lie that is anthropogenic global warming!</p>
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		<title>By: Debra J.M. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debra J.M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave it to the liberals to come up with a save-the-planet scheme that has them controlling the weather. It sounds like some sort of science fiction madman-freak movie of the week plot. At first it was funny, you know, that they gave poor ol&#039; Al Gore something to do with his time, all things considered. But, when Cap and Trade came into the light and the real truth of it all came out, it was no longer so funny. This was a well thought out plan, and some liberals, for yet another reason, need to be removed. 

Debra...
PS... Great write-up, RV. I posted it at my site, Informing Christians: http://www.debrajmsmith.com/112509HL1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave it to the liberals to come up with a save-the-planet scheme that has them controlling the weather. It sounds like some sort of science fiction madman-freak movie of the week plot. At first it was funny, you know, that they gave poor ol&#8217; Al Gore something to do with his time, all things considered. But, when Cap and Trade came into the light and the real truth of it all came out, it was no longer so funny. This was a well thought out plan, and some liberals, for yet another reason, need to be removed. </p>
<p>Debra&#8230;<br />
PS&#8230; Great write-up, RV. I posted it at my site, Informing Christians: <a href="http://www.debrajmsmith.com/112509HL1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.debrajmsmith.com/112509HL1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Fournier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Fournier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The release of the data and emails from the CRU offers the best opportunity to date to bring down this house of cards.   We must never let a member of this scam speak or a news outlet report on AGW without hammering them with the fact that this is the greatest and worst scam in human history.

We now have the proof.  Let&#039;s use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The release of the data and emails from the CRU offers the best opportunity to date to bring down this house of cards.   We must never let a member of this scam speak or a news outlet report on AGW without hammering them with the fact that this is the greatest and worst scam in human history.</p>
<p>We now have the proof.  Let&#8217;s use it.</p>
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		<title>By: phantomlord</title>
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		<dc:creator>phantomlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll push the ruse as long as they possibly can because it furthers their centralized, globalized feudal oligarchy mentality.

Cap and tax isn&#039;t just about wealth redistribution, it&#039;s about creating an establishment that picks winners and losers, having the ultimate power over who lives and who dies. Less interesting is the redistribution of wealth (though that is very damning) - I want to know who is going to appoint themselves to sit at the top of the chain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll push the ruse as long as they possibly can because it furthers their centralized, globalized feudal oligarchy mentality.</p>
<p>Cap and tax isn&#8217;t just about wealth redistribution, it&#8217;s about creating an establishment that picks winners and losers, having the ultimate power over who lives and who dies. Less interesting is the redistribution of wealth (though that is very damning) &#8211; I want to know who is going to appoint themselves to sit at the top of the chain.</p>
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