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This has been a work in action, as the Presidential campaign progresses and we get closer to Election Day on November 4, 2008. I’ve added to the list with # 10, Taxes, on why conservatives should vote for McCain over Obama. RV
Hugin from Free Republic has come up with reason # 9 of why Conservatives Should Vote for McCain over Obama!
The following list was originally posted to Free Republic by Hugin as Five Reasons Conservatives Should Vote for McCain over Hillary or Obama. Charlie and I added to the list (I added #2 and Charlie added #6). I’ve been corresponding with Hugin to let him know how we were embellishing his original list and he approved. Hugin added to the list with reasons #7. Maelstorm from Free Republic has come up with reason # 8. RV
Nine Reasons Conservatives Should for Vote for McCain Over Obama
1. The Jhihadist Threat- McCain understands that Islamic fanaticism is a dire threat to the USA, and is determined to defeat it. Obama have never even mentioned the words “Islamic” or “Jihad” in all his debates, but has mentioned “health care” hundreds of times.
2. Defending the Unborn- John McCain is pro-life and will defend the lives of pre-born babies. Obama is the polar opposite and has a long history of defending unrestricted abortion. Obama even went so far as to vote against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, which would have protected children who survived failed abortion attempts from infanticide.
3. Judges- Personally I doubt that if McCain does appoint any Supreme Court Justices in the Scalia/Thomas/Alito mold, they will ever be confirmed by Harry Reid and the Democrat Senators. But I am sure that the judges that Obama would appoint will be. A vacancy is better than a left-wing, internationalist on the SCOTUS.
4. Our Military Personel- The men and women who sacrifice so much in service to the country deserve better than Obama as their Commander in Chief. I don’t see how I could fail to vote to prevent that and ever honestly claim that I “support the troops”. Whatever McCain’s failings on domestic issues, I have no doubt that he deeply respects and supports the military.
5. Gun rights- Obama openly expresses support for a national gun registry, national licensing for handgun owners, “gun safety” regulations (retroactive banning of out of production models), lawsuits against manufacturers, local gun bans, and renewing the AWB. And that’s just what he says now. I have no doubt his full agenda goes well beyond that. As far as I know John McCain has been a solidly pro-gun rights his whole career.
6. American Principles- I am not happy with McCain because he isn’t true to the conservative principles, but I can tolerate that. I refuse to support Obama because he isn’t true to American principles. That I can not tolerate! I fail to see the point of selling out the country because the slightly better candidate isn’t true to a party. The party can be fixed if the nation survives. If the entire country goes down the tubes, then there’s not much left to fix!
7. Energy- In the face of $5 a gallon gasoline, McCain has shown some a willingness to reevaluate his positions based on public opinion and/or new facts. Most recently he has changed his opposition to offshore drilling (though unfortunately not to drilling in ANWAR). Moreover, McCain has always been a big supporter of nuclear energy. In contrast Obama has no problem with high gas prices, and only says he wishes the increase had been more gradual. Obama’s energy plan is to force Americans to quit driving SUVs, heating and cooling their homes, and eating as much as they want, since we can’t expect other countries to approve of us as it is. Our lifestyles need to “pass the test; the global test” to use the words of John Kerry. Presumably, if it takes $6, $8, or $10 a gallon gas to do it, that’s fine with Barak and the Don’t Drill Democrats.
8. Special Rights and “Hate” Crimes- John McCain has consistently opposed hate crimes legislation adding sexual orientation to protections. He has consistently opposed special rights and protections for homosexuals. This is not something conservatives should be fighting with him about.
9. Presidential Cabinet Appointments-The first thing a president does is to appoint about 3000 various cabinet and sub-cabinet federal policy making officials. They will write the federal policies that affect Americans in every aspect of life, business, education, civil rights, environmental regulations, criminal justice, etc. If McCain is elected President, he will be selecting his Cabinet from the Republican pool, mostly people who have served in the Bush43 and Bush41 administrations. If Obama, is elected he will choose from the pool of Clinton retreads, plus whatever radical supporters he gives jobs to as payback for supporting him.
10. Tax Cuts-Under John McCain’s tax proposal, he will renew the Bush tax cuts and add to it with a tax credit. Under the Obama tax proposal, your tax bracket could see anymore from a $700 to over $3,000 tax increase in tax rates for working people compared to that of the McCain tax proposal..
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12 responses so far ↓
1 phantomlord // Jul 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm
and yet McCain isn’t great on many of those issues himself… he’s just better than devastatingly horrible.
Voting for McCain is like voting for a bill that is fundamentally flawed just so you can say you did something, even if, in reality, all you did was vote to make things worse than the status quo (and yes, both Obama and McCain will make things worse than they have been under Bush).
2 rochester_veteran // Jul 8, 2008 at 9:51 pm
phantomlord,
It you want Obama to lead our country, go ahead and vote against McCain, it’s your choice.
I choose not to vote for Obama as President and the best chance we have of turning the tide against the Obamamessiasts is John McCain because he’s the only candidate who has a chance of beating Obama. Bob Barr has absolutely no chance of winning and will only draw votes away from McCain.
As our own Charlie stated in number 6:
American Principles- I am not happy with McCain because he isn’t true to the conservative principles, but I can tolerate that. I refuse to support Obama because he isn’t true to American principles. That I can not tolerate! I fail to see the point of selling out the country because the slightly better candidate isn’t true to a party. The party can be fixed if the nation survives. If the entire country goes down the tubes, then there’s not much left to fix!
I’m not willing to allow the country to suffer because of the choices we have to make in this coming Presidential election. Obama has promised to prosecute our own troops and the present Administration for war crimes for gosh sakes! Vote for who you want, that’s your business. My vote is for McCain and if you’ve taken the time to read this article, you’ll have some very good reasons for not handing the election to Obama!
3 phantomlord // Jul 8, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. McCain is wrong on way too many issues for me to be able to support him and the fact that he routinely compromises issues that favor our side leaves me no confidence that he won’t do the same thing if he takes office.
When he nominates a pro-abortion judge recommended to him by Joe Lieberman to the SCOTUS as a favor for Lieberman helping to give him the middle-left vote that put him in office, don’t be surprised. When he grants amnesty to illegal aliens, totally ignoring our rule of law and erasing our borders, don’t be surprised. When he signs a carbon cap, tax and trading scheme into law, don’t be surprised.
I can’t do it… I just can’t vote for him. I certainly think Obama will be worse than McCain, but I can’t vote to sell my country and my party down the river. Those who tolerate everything stand for nothing. I must vote for who I think will steer our country down the right track and that is neither McCain nor Obama… and if he can’t win, that’s because we’ve become beholden to the two party system and voting against someone rather than voting for what we believe in.
As Ben Franklin said, when asked what type of government we would have, “A republic… if you can keep it.” We’re not voting to remain a republic anymore, we’ve voting to not become a socialist state. That leaves us open to drifting from our founding principles to become anything else, so long as we aren’t the United States Socialist “Republic.”
4 rochester_veteran // Jul 8, 2008 at 10:39 pm
phantomlord,
John McCain is prolife. He served his county with honor and suffered the abuses from communist torturers while Hanoi Jane and John Kerry played their leftist agenda and maligned my generation of veterans.
Vote for whoever you want to but as a veteran, conservative and patriot, my vote is for John McCain!
Col. Bud Day Talks About His Days in the Hanoi Hilton with John McCain
5 phantomlord // Jul 8, 2008 at 11:05 pm
John McCain is pro-John McCain and, as a politician, I don’t trust him to not sell out on any issue, including abortion. I won’t question his virtue as a soldier, but he’s not what I want as our nation’s leader.
6 John Moore // Jul 13, 2008 at 4:24 pm
phantomlord,
As we grow up, we usually learn that we can’t always have what we want, and we have to make choices among less desirable alternatives.
Not voting for McCain is mkaing clear that you don’t care which of Obama or McCain is elected. Do you really feel that way. Can you make a rational argument that Obama is no worse than McCain, and therefore acceding to his election is okay?
7 phantomlord // Jul 13, 2008 at 5:24 pm
I’m done voting for the lesser of two evils. McCain will sell us out just as fast as Obama will. Look at his attendance of LULAC and the NCLR, pandering to illegal aliens, promising them amnesty, citizenship and Social Security. What good is winning a war overseas if there’s no homeland to come back to because we gave it away for a few one-time votes?
McCain wants to cripple our economy with a carbon cap, tax and trade scheme, he’s already pushed and passed legislation outlawing the criticism of politicians before an election, formed the gang of 14 to block Republican actions in the Senate, etc.
What good is McCain? Where is it that you think he’s going to benefit our country in any way? The simple fact that he’s not Obama? You think he won’t appoint a pro-abortion judge to the Supreme Court if he thinks it’ll mean less criticism from his opponents? You think he won’t raise taxes given he’s already spouted the liberal “no tax cuts for the rich” rhetoric? He’ll sell out our interests as fast as Obama will throw a supporter under the bus if he things it will win him praise from some sector or buy a vote.
The difference between Obama and McCain is one is selling you out in someone else’s name and one will sell you out in your name.
I’m not asking for everything I want… but I need someone who stands for the important things that I want. The only person who will ever agree with me on every issue is me, and sometimes, I wonder if I can even agree with myself
But McCain isn’t a conservative. He’s barely a Republican (and was in negotiations to leave the party in 2001 but Jim Jeffords beat him to the punch). He’s a populist who will sell out anything he supposedly stands for if it thinks it will ingratiate him to the “right” people. People already distrust Republicans after screwing things up for the last 10 years… Voting for McCain, who is guaranteed to screw things up if he takes the Oval Office, will be the final nail in our party’s coffin.
8 phantomlord // Jul 13, 2008 at 5:44 pm
PS, I don’t remember where I first saw it, but it’s a pretty insightful quip:
Those who tolerate everything stand for nothing.
I won’t vote for McCain just because he’s not Obama and supposedly has a R next to his name. He far exceeds my threshold of tolerance.
9 rochester_veteran // Jul 16, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Maelstorm from Free Republic has come up with reason # 8 of why Conservatives Should Vote for McCain over Obama:
8. Special Rights and “Hate” Crimes- John McCain has consistently opposed hate crimes legislation adding sexual orientation to protections. He has consistently opposed special rights and protections for homosexuals. This is not something conservatives should be fighting with him about.
10 Leavingroch // Jul 16, 2008 at 2:59 pm
It is ok if PL votes against McCain, in NY it doesn’t matter, the electorial votes will go to Obama anyway and he will have his voice heard that he didn’t want McCain, me on the otherhand, I want to vote against Obama because I want my number to show I did not support Obama and what he represents. I want people to see the numbers and realized not EVERYONE in NY is stupid enough to fall for his or hillary’s poop
11 rochester_veteran // Jul 17, 2008 at 5:14 am
I do understand why phantomlord won’t vote for McCain and although we’ve had some spirited discussions about the issue, I respect PL and his POV.
Leavingroch, I feel the way you do. Although I’m not crazy about McCain, he’s head and shoulders more qualified to lead our country than Obama is and like you, I do not want to see Obama become President. He’s a radical socialist and will take our Republic down that road!
12 phantomlord // Jul 17, 2008 at 2:45 pm
It’s worth noting that, on the GOP side of things, McCain is the one candidate (of those who announced a run for President) I couldn’t just hold my nose and vote for.
As much as I disagreed with Huckabee, Giuliani, etc on some issues, I could still vote for them. The only candidate with a chance that I was whole heartedly behind was Fred Thompson. I don’t have to have a perfect candidate, but I do have to have a candidate who I believe will generally do the right thing for the country and on WAY too many issues, John McCain is on the wrong side of that equation.
I respect that people disagree with me… and that’s fine. There are a lot of GOPers who flat out hate people like me and whom are resorting to the liberal position of calling people like me extremists and/or whiners because we won’t simply fall in line and do what we’re told by our GOP masters. I am not beholden to my party bosses, my party is beholden to me. If the party doesn’t want my support, that’s fine… but by edging us out, realize that the GOP is doing the exact same thing the Democrats did to Ronaldus Magnus. A party divided is a party guaranteed to fail and nobody is more divisive to the GOP base than John “Maverick” McCain.
I’m gonna die laughing when he nominates Lieberman or Hillary as his VP to try to reach independents and Democrats so he can get rid of his conservative thorn once and for all.