Comments on: The war between the state http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/the-war-between-the-state/ Conservatism isn't about party, its a philosophy that both parties failed Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:04:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: phantomlord http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/the-war-between-the-state/comment-page-1/#comment-9227 phantomlord Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:39:41 +0000 http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/?p=2184#comment-9227 I've outlined a plan which would basically split NY along socio-economic boundaries as much as geographic ones... It would entail New York City State taking Long Island and the entire Hudson corridor up to Albany with it, meaning all those people that live outside the city in their posh upper class houses would remain in NYCS. They aren't going to move farther away from the city or else they won't be part of the action anymore and aren't going to suffer a 3-4 hour drive to get to work every day. Not only that, but "nobody" wants to live in Binghamton, Utica, etc, especially not the upper crust folks. The upstate/western NY state will be free to focus on our needs rather than being told what we need by the people who live in NYC. Let's face it, what is good for NYC isn't necessarily what is good for upstate/western NY... we're just too different, and the NYC folks are too self centered to care. They constantly force their agenda on the rest of us and dismiss how they negatively impact the rest of the state. I don't fear what's happening to Colorado happening to the state that would be upstate/western NY. Frankly, we're just too economically devastated for anyone to really want to live here and it will take a long time to fix the damage that has been accruing for decades. We aren't an already primed state ready for people to move to like Colorado was. See http://www.rochesterconservative.com/images/newnewyork.gif for a map of how I would split the state. I’ve outlined a plan which would basically split NY along socio-economic boundaries as much as geographic ones… It would entail New York City State taking Long Island and the entire Hudson corridor up to Albany with it, meaning all those people that live outside the city in their posh upper class houses would remain in NYCS. They aren’t going to move farther away from the city or else they won’t be part of the action anymore and aren’t going to suffer a 3-4 hour drive to get to work every day. Not only that, but “nobody” wants to live in Binghamton, Utica, etc, especially not the upper crust folks.

The upstate/western NY state will be free to focus on our needs rather than being told what we need by the people who live in NYC. Let’s face it, what is good for NYC isn’t necessarily what is good for upstate/western NY… we’re just too different, and the NYC folks are too self centered to care. They constantly force their agenda on the rest of us and dismiss how they negatively impact the rest of the state.

I don’t fear what’s happening to Colorado happening to the state that would be upstate/western NY. Frankly, we’re just too economically devastated for anyone to really want to live here and it will take a long time to fix the damage that has been accruing for decades. We aren’t an already primed state ready for people to move to like Colorado was.

See http://www.rochesterconservative.com/images/newnewyork.gif for a map of how I would split the state.

]]> By: rochester_veteran http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/the-war-between-the-state/comment-page-1/#comment-9219 rochester_veteran Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:03:06 +0000 http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/?p=2184#comment-9219 MM, I lived in Denver for 3 years and met my wife there. It's a shame with what's happened to Colorado. The same thing happened in Washington State, with people moving there from California. I don't think the crazies will move to Upstate New York though. Although we have our share of resident lefties, the winters here get pretty brutal and act as a population deterrent! :-) MM,

I lived in Denver for 3 years and met my wife there.

It’s a shame with what’s happened to Colorado. The same thing happened in Washington State, with people moving there from California.

I don’t think the crazies will move to Upstate New York though. Although we have our share of resident lefties, the winters here get pretty brutal and act as a population deterrent! :-)

]]> By: MM http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/the-war-between-the-state/comment-page-1/#comment-9217 MM Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:31:29 +0000 http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/?p=2184#comment-9217 Don't you know what will happen? After you split NY into the sane and insane, the insane will start to look to escape the realities of their policies. And they'll move into the sane portion and then guess what? They'll start to institute the exact same policies that ruined their former place of residence. Think I'm mistaken? I live in Colorado where just a few years ago, we were a fairly solid red state. Republican gov, both statehouses, both Senators and 5 of 7 House districts. Now, with the help of several big dollar dems and a huge influx of out of state liberals fleeing the ruined state of CA, they have turned this state blue. And guess what? They have repealed TABOR, our tax returning instrument, have sucked up to unions, have killed producing huge amounts of energy from our resources, have turned to "green jobs" another sure fired way to add expenses. The state has hired almost 3,000!! new employees since the first of the year and baby, they'll all union. So pretty soon, we'll be in a similar situation like CA and then where will they go next? They're like locusts, ravaging every local they inhabit. There's a saying floating around here. Now that it's too late-get along or get the fuck out Don’t you know what will happen? After you split NY into the sane and insane, the insane will start to look to escape the realities of their policies. And they’ll move into the sane portion and then guess what? They’ll start to institute the exact same policies that ruined their former place of residence.

Think I’m mistaken? I live in Colorado where just a few years ago, we were a fairly solid red state. Republican gov, both statehouses, both Senators and 5 of 7 House districts.

Now, with the help of several big dollar dems and a huge influx of out of state liberals fleeing the ruined state of CA, they have turned this state blue. And guess what? They have repealed TABOR, our tax returning instrument, have sucked up to unions, have killed producing huge amounts of energy from our resources, have turned to “green jobs” another sure fired way to add expenses. The state has hired almost 3,000!! new employees since the first of the year and baby, they’ll all union.

So pretty soon, we’ll be in a similar situation like CA and then where will they go next? They’re like locusts, ravaging every local they inhabit.

There’s a saying floating around here. Now that it’s too late-get along or get the fuck out

]]> By: The.. Newer.. York? « Pages Left Unturned http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/the-war-between-the-state/comment-page-1/#comment-9206 The.. Newer.. York? « Pages Left Unturned Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:29:01 +0000 http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/?p=2184#comment-9206 [...] idea of annexing NYC off onto NJ and letting them have ‘em. This morning I was tipped off by RochesterConservative’s link to the Times Union article “The war between the [...] [...] idea of annexing NYC off onto NJ and letting them have ‘em. This morning I was tipped off by RochesterConservative’s link to the Times Union article “The war between the [...]

]]> By: Charlie http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/the-war-between-the-state/comment-page-1/#comment-9205 Charlie Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:18:48 +0000 http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/?p=2184#comment-9205 Hannah, I have written numerous letters and essays about Secession and believe it is the best possible solution for BOTH sides to NY's problems. So many of our problems are created by the population imbalance. What is right for an Urban/NYC environ may be harmfull to a rural setting. For example NY's Medicaid may be good for NYC and may be affordable when spread over a large population. In Monroe County Medicaid is $150Million per year. NOT GOOD! There are many other aspects. I want to help, but I tend to ramble. Here is an essay RV posted for me a while ago. If there is anything more, Please ask. http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/upstate-ultimatum/ Hannah, I have written numerous letters and essays about Secession and believe it is the best possible solution for BOTH sides to NY’s problems.
So many of our problems are created by the population imbalance. What is right for an Urban/NYC environ may be harmfull to a rural setting. For example NY’s Medicaid may be good for NYC and may be affordable when spread over a large population. In Monroe County Medicaid is $150Million per year. NOT GOOD!
There are many other aspects. I want to help, but I tend to ramble. Here is an essay RV posted for me a while ago. If there is anything more, Please ask.
http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/upstate-ultimatum/

]]> By: rochester_veteran http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/the-war-between-the-state/comment-page-1/#comment-9203 rochester_veteran Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:49:45 +0000 http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/?p=2184#comment-9203 Hannah, Thanks for posting. Let me see if I can get Charlie over here to discuss this as he's been involved in the Upstate Secession issue for a while. <b>RV</b> Hannah,

Thanks for posting. Let me see if I can get Charlie over here to discuss this as he’s been involved in the Upstate Secession issue for a while.

RV

]]> By: Hannah Elise http://www.rochesterconservative.com/blog/the-war-between-the-state/comment-page-1/#comment-9202 Hannah Elise Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:29:37 +0000 http://rochesterconservative.com/blog/?p=2184#comment-9202 Personally, I've always jokingly said that we should simply annex NYC off onto NJ and let them have 'em, but... I'm interested to know what the practical implications of a state split would look like, to be quite honest. Any ideas? Personally, I’ve always jokingly said that we should simply annex NYC off onto NJ and let them have ‘em, but…

I’m interested to know what the practical implications of a state split would look like, to be quite honest. Any ideas?

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